I have attached two photos to demonstrate how bloody brilliant your shorts have been. After 18 month of near daily use either on the turbo (soaked in sweat), on the road either under tights or on their own these shorts have been remarkable. They have been washed daily, sometimes twice a day depending on the number of sessions. I have used them many times with chamois cream. They have done numerous multi day trips with minimal washing in between. Unlike previous FLAB shorts, there has been no separation of the pad. The only reason I have had to retire them is I have worn the lycra at the back at the top of the pad so that it is see through - way too much detail for anyone following me apparently. You really are making top flight gear. Incidentally, I have not thrown a single top away yet, I have worn some so that they are somewhat faded and extremely thin, but they still hang on in there. Well done to you both. You should be very proud of what you are making.