I have just bought a lab she is a working dog In all fairness I dont think they treat them as you would a home bread dog if you like I am 75 yrs old I have two westies I have trained and are in very good health Its been a new journey for me with Gypsy she will be a good dog its not her fault if they dont get a good start And i mean from day one they will have probs she is a wonderful dog . I have bread labs many years ago so in my retirement thats what I wonted, its going to be tough but I wont give up, your friend Stan said about your treats thats how I train my dogs I hope in the near future to get all my dogs on your food But it will take time take care Happy Christmas From Lilly Susu and Gypsy and of course me xx